Comments on: Twopointopians http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/ Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:02:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Library 2.0 Roundup - Redux « Life as I Know It http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-37380 Library 2.0 Roundup - Redux « Life as I Know It Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:07:05 +0000 http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-37380 [...] Twopointopians - posted on September 3, 2007. [...] [...] Twopointopians - posted on September 3, 2007. [...]

]]> By: jessamyn http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-35420 jessamyn Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:13:41 +0000 http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-35420 my bad, I got confused with all the anonymous posting over at AL's blog, looks like they DO work in a library. my bad, I got confused with all the anonymous posting over at AL’s blog, looks like they DO work in a library.

]]> By: jessamyn http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-35418 jessamyn Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:14:41 +0000 http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-35418 You'll also notice that the Annoyed Librarian doesn't work in a library, often claims to not say what they really think in the interest of stirring up controversy, and doesn't have much of a nice word to say about anyone. The 2.0-ians, by contrast are employed in libraries, are very public about the things they do in libraries and what works and doesn't work. They also try, most of the time, to value some sort of harmony (not just with each other, but with EVERYONE) and something you need to do to work with the public and other people. I may be conflict-averse more than most people, but I find this sort of nastiness not a really good path to actually getting things done, changing hearts and minds or learning anything. If I have a limited amount of time in my life to get things done, I'm not going to work on a point by point rebuttal of someone who doesn't even necessarily believe what they're saying. One take away though is that we're not measuring impacts of a lot of these 2.0 technologies and I think if we're going to move to the next level we have to start measuring the same way we count people who come in the door, or email reference questions. This means more change in the higher level organizations who collect and analyze this date. So, let's go. You’ll also notice that the Annoyed Librarian doesn’t work in a library, often claims to not say what they really think in the interest of stirring up controversy, and doesn’t have much of a nice word to say about anyone. The 2.0-ians, by contrast are employed in libraries, are very public about the things they do in libraries and what works and doesn’t work. They also try, most of the time, to value some sort of harmony (not just with each other, but with EVERYONE) and something you need to do to work with the public and other people.

I may be conflict-averse more than most people, but I find this sort of nastiness not a really good path to actually getting things done, changing hearts and minds or learning anything. If I have a limited amount of time in my life to get things done, I’m not going to work on a point by point rebuttal of someone who doesn’t even necessarily believe what they’re saying.

One take away though is that we’re not measuring impacts of a lot of these 2.0 technologies and I think if we’re going to move to the next level we have to start measuring the same way we count people who come in the door, or email reference questions. This means more change in the higher level organizations who collect and analyze this date. So, let’s go.

]]> By: Jason Griffey http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-35400 Jason Griffey Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:40:24 +0000 http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-35400 I don't think that anyone is suggesting that every library, everywhere, needs everything 2.0. Not every library needs a wiki, in the same way that not every library needs a Serials Librarian...it depends on need. But it _always_ depends on need...that doesn't seem much of an argument to me. If AL and others are really saying that the twopointopians are claiming everyone needs everything _right now_, that seems just a Straw Man. I don’t think that anyone is suggesting that every library, everywhere, needs everything 2.0. Not every library needs a wiki, in the same way that not every library needs a Serials Librarian…it depends on need. But it _always_ depends on need…that doesn’t seem much of an argument to me.

If AL and others are really saying that the twopointopians are claiming everyone needs everything _right now_, that seems just a Straw Man.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-35397 Jeff Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:44:13 +0000 http://www.jasongriffey.net/wp/2007/09/03/twopointopians/#comment-35397 I think most administrators are asking where are the stats and where is the need. The typical reply is the "slow library movement" which means providing these types of technologies where they are actually needed instead of just throwing stuff up there that doesn't get used. I think most administrators are asking where are the stats and where is the need. The typical reply is the “slow library movement” which means providing these types of technologies where they are actually needed instead of just throwing stuff up there that doesn’t get used.

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